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20:16, 16 January 2013Mischaschwartz (Talk | contribs)New thread created 
06:13, 1 March 2013Hasebe46 (Talk | contribs)New reply created (Reply to Toshiba laptop)
18:13, 7 March 2013I.engelson (Talk | contribs)New reply created (Reply to Toshiba laptop)
22:06, 16 May 2013JimReece (Talk | contribs)New reply created (Reply to Toshiba laptop)

I just have two comments. It seems to me that there were a number of laptops available in the mid-1980s. I myself bought one called "Micron". Is the Toshipa laptop then the "world's first", or the first in Japan? If not the first, in what specific ways is it innovative enough to warrant the milestone honor? My second comment- The pdf endorement letter by a Toshiba executive is confusing- it refers to "the first Japanese-language computer" of the 1970s, NOT the laptop. Was the wrong letter put in by mistake?

  Mischa
Mischaschwartz20:16, 16 January 2013
 

Dear Mischaschwartz-san:

Thank you for your comment. We are sorry for our very late relay.

As you pointed out that our original proposal was "the first lap top PC", but we have change it and the current proposal is not include "the first".

The latest proposal is as follows.

  • The 1980s was beginning of lap top PCs.
  • Those days, PC companies had competed with technical advantages, like CPU speed, size, peripherals, and etc.
  • Toshiba‘s concept were;
@ not original architecture but standard
@ not desktop but lap top
@ no need to write software by themselves but can buy it
  • Toshiba appealed this point not only to PC experts but also to business users.
@ Users can use T1100 on their desk connecting a external display, same with desktop PC.
@ Disconnecting the external display, users can continue to use PC under same environment when they go out their office with laptop PC and software

This usage is natural for the current users but was brand new for users in 1980s, especially for non PC experts.

  • Toshiba developed power control software to support portability. (e.g. resume function in 1989) Based on this technology Toshiba defined a standard, ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) with Microsoft and Intel which is supported all of the current PCs.
  • As the result of this promotion, Toshiba won 40% portable PC market share in Europe in 1987. In 2010, the total amount of Toshiba portable PC's shipping had exceeded 100 million. Also T1100 was the start of expanding market for small LCD display and for lithium-ion batteries for mobile equipment.
k.hsb06:13, 1 March 2013
 

I really do not see how this nomination can proceed when the Data General One computer preceded it by several months (shipping in September 1984) and had every feature that the Toshiba had. In addition the Data General LCD display had the same aspect ratio as an IBM PC, while the Toshiba did not (it was reduced to about one-half in the vertical direction so that a circle displayed as an oval and rendering drawing programs, such as Autocad, difficult or impossible to use). And contrary to what was implied in the nomination, almost all software that was available at the time was, in fact, available on 3.5 inch diskettes for the Data General One. If you check my previous comments and attachments, you will see that the Data General One was the true pioneering IBM compatible laptop personal computer, and was recognized as such at the time.

JimReece22:06, 16 May 2013
 
 

I read the submittal and the many comments. The development and contribution apparently deserves recognition, but some of the issues that were raised need careful review and discussion. As someone pointed out, a Milestone should be of virtual permanence, and we should be careful using terminology that is in a state of evolution. Also, are we honoring the company, the engineers, or recognizing the product? It was also suggested that we may want to remove acronyms that may have a short life, e.g., PC; to some it may mean Personal Communication, and in 20 years most people may not know what it stands for. At this point I am in favor of a recognition, but am not sure how to change the citation to reflect some of the concerns that were expressed. Irv Engelson

I.engelson18:13, 7 March 2013