Milestones-Nomination talk:Krka – Šibenik Electric Power System
Development of Croatian Power System.pdf
Hydro Power Plants in Croatia.pdf
HPP Jaruga 1 - panel.JPG
First century of Croatian National Electric Power Utility.pdf
IEEE MILESTONE KRKA-Support Letter-Croatia Section.pdf
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I support this milestone, but suggest the following re-wording of the citation:
At this location on 28 August 1895, the Krka hydroelectric plant began generating power for the city of Šibenik. This early system of power generation, transmission and distribution was one of the first complete multiphase alternating current systems in the world. It provided electric street lighting before many other European cities, including London and Rome. It remained in operation until World War I.
The first change was prompted by a desire to remove the passive voice (was transmitted). The second change was prompted by trying to eliminate the vague "a large number of" and provide comparative context (how did Sibenik compare with other large European cities). I took the information from the National Park web link provided. Please have someone with detailed knowledge of this site verify accuracy of my changes.
I full concur with the above comment, especially for the comparison with actual, well known cities. I support the proposal.
Thank you very much for your support and proposed wording.
Unfortunately I am not sure the proposed change is the best choice. The change in the first proposed sentence slightly changes the focus of the milestone and I do not believe the third sentence to be true.
There were several cities in Europe that had (some form of) electric street lighting prior to 1895. The city of Rijeka, for example, as early as 1884 for the premiere of Aida (needs verification). Rome, as another example, had a single-phase system (from the same manufacturer) before Šibenik was electrified.
The point of this milestone is to recognise the complete power system: its power generation, transmission (from the plant to the city), voltage transformation (six transformers in the city), distribution (within the city, after the voltage transformation), and consumption (street lamps).
Just a note: today’s modern power systems are multiphase alternating current systems (although with a different number of phases and different frequencies from the 1895 Krka-Šibenik system).
Comment(s) from History Committee Member(s)
As an early urban power system, using then current and emerging technologies, the Krka–Šibenik Electric Power System appears to be worthy of recognized as an IEEE Milestone.
context of the milestone
I have uploaded a book on history of Croatian and regional power system and its development. The book is in Croatian, however I have highlighted and translated the most important parts which are describing Krka Šibenik hydro power plant Jaruga. We emphasize the importance of this system and its role, not only in development of the Croatian power system but also point out its importance in regional power systems context.
The nomination appears to be missing the letter of support from the Section Chair.
Suggest changing World War I to the date (perhaps 1914).
Is this statement the proposed plaque wording or the citation?
""Krka-Šibenik Electric Power System On 28 August 1895 electricity generated at this location was transmitted to the city of Šibenik, where six power transformers supplied a large number of street lamps. This early system of power generation, transmission and distribution was one of the first complete multiphase alternating current systems in the world and it remained in operation until World War I."
Thank you for your comments.
Croatia Section initiated this nomination and the current Section Chair, Igor Kuzle, is one of the nominators of this Milestone. I will additionally ask him to upload a letter of support from the Section.
I advise against changing "until World War I" to "until 1914" on the citation, as that would leave the audience with less context. At that time, the power plant was shut down and some of its metals re-melted as ammunition. However, Šibenik did not remain without electricity, the city and the region remained powered from another nearby plant.
The text you quoted is indeed the proposed citation:
Title: Krka-Šibenik Electric Power System
Citation: On 28 August 1895 electricity generated at this location was transmitted to the city of Šibenik, where six power transformers supplied a large number of street lamps. This early system of power generation, transmission and distribution was one of the first complete multiphase alternating current systems in the world and it remained in operation until World War I.
Note: the plaque would be posted at the power plant location inside the Krka National Park, hence "at this location" in the text. For more information please click http://www.npkrka.hr (and select English) and/or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krka_National_Park. The approximate location is seen on one of the photos on the wikipedia page, as well as photos uploaded to this page.
Marko Delimar, 12 December 2012
Zagreb, 13 December 2013 ____________________________________________________
as Marko Delimar already mentioned I am the first nominator of Krka-Sibenik Electric Power System Milestone. Executive committee of IEEE Croatia Section decide to propose Krka - Sibenik Electric Power System for Milestone because we belive that technical achievement is more than suitable to be IEEE Milestone. So we strongly support that nomination.
Igor Kuzle IEEE Croatia Section Chair
Regarding the issue of "1914" v. "World War I," the specific year should not be specified until it can be confirmed. It's quite likely that the station was not shut and scavenged for metals until later in the war.
Alexander Magoun, Ph.D., Outreach Historian, IEEE History Center