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Plaque Citation423:20, 9 March 2014
Plaque Location811:48, 8 March 2014
Site owner permission letter018:27, 25 February 2014

Plaque Citation

If the general audience of this plaque is not familiar with the specific technical merits of a milestone, it often is best to state the significance of the milestone up front.

For instance: The Apple II spurred software and hardware suppliers to help create the worldwide personal computing industry.

Was Apple II the first low cost computer? (debatable) Be careful when you use the phrase "the first" as its absolute historic accuracy is hard to prove. Now if it is the first that is fine, but other alternatives might be more accurate: "an early" "one of the first", etc. So we can either more narrowly define what the phrase "the first" applies to in the sentence or alter it.

The use of acronyms has proven sticky on milestones before. So unless we know that the reader knows the definitions of NTSC/RAM/ROM/BASIC then we must debate whether its inclusion adds to the citation enough to merit its undefined use. I would take a good look through the "list" portion of the citation and see if it could be amended to be more readable.

Lise Johnston17:29, 17 September 2013
 

I agree with Lise's comments, especially the use of acronyms. One of the goals of the milestone program is to reach the general public and demonstrate that engineers are real people and not (just) geeks. Try to relax the citation a bit.

Feisel21:11, 16 February 2014
 

Putting this up front, The Apple II spurred software and hardware suppliers to help create the worldwide personal computing industry, makes sense.

Let me know of other suggested changes. I want to make sure that Steve Wozniak is comfortable with any changes. We have been working with him on this citation since the beginning of this project.

Thanks!

Tom Coughlin Milestone Proposal Instigator

205.201.168.6622:23, 16 February 2014
 

I support the milestone for Apple II, but I have a few suggested edits. I am concerned about the claim of "first" when others existed. I also tried to tighten the wording towards a more directed assertion:

CURRENT: The Apple II spurred software and hardware suppliers to help create the worldwide personal computing industry. It was the first low-cost computer to offer quick start-up, pre-addressed standard expansion slots, processor RAM-based bit-mapped NTSC color graphics and random access storage in a handsome compact package. It had an economy of design with a BASIC interpreter and assembler in ROM as well as gaming and graphics features.

SUGGESTED: The Apple II helped create the worldwide personal computing industry. It was one of the first low-cost computers to offer quick start-up, pre-addressed standard expansion slots, processor RAM-based bit-mapped NTSC color graphics and random access storage in a handsome compact package for home or business use. Its economy of design incorporated a BASIC interpreter and assembler as well as new gaming and graphics features. --Dave Bart

Jbart6422:39, 7 March 2014
 

I had a chance to ask Steve Wozniak regarding the suggestions to change from first to "one of the first". Here is his response:

color? (not Commodore, not Radio Shack)

graphics? (minimal form if any on Commodore and Radio Shack)

full speed graphics?

expansion slots? (not Commodore, Radio Shack)

NTSC? (Not Commodore)

all the kits, like Altair? (not DRAM) (no color or graphics built in except SOL-20 after Apple I had a minimal form of graphics) … these kit designs were raw Intel data sheet but not one was a product that could start personal computing, only hobby stuff

I need some example.

Can you provide some other examples of computers with the same features as the Apple II with the listed features that were available when it was introduced? Thanks!

Tom Coughlin

66.215.122.24623:20, 9 March 2014
 
 

Plaque Location

Do we have a more precise description of the plaque's mounting location and do we have permission of the site owner to place the plaque there. From what I read it just says in the vicinity of Apple headquarters.

Lise Johnston17:22, 17 September 2013
 

This needs to be addressed before approval.

Feisel21:12, 16 February 2014
 

It is planned to be placed at the Apple Headquarters. The actual location depends upon when the plaque is placed. Apple is building a new headquarters with plans for it to be finished in 2016, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57581319-37/apple-releases-revised-plans-for-its-spaceship-headquarters/. If the plaque is placed before 2016 it will go into their current headquarters at 1 Infinite Loop in Cupertino. It is planned that the plaque would go into the lobby of the Apple headquarters and that the pubic could have access during regular business hours. Both the current and new headquarters are located in Cuptertino, CA.

Does this provide the required response that you folks are looking for.

Tom Coughlin Milestone Proposal Initiator

205.201.168.6622:16, 16 February 2014
 

If it is initially placed in the current HQ, will it be moved when the new HQ is occupied? Also, we will need a letter from Apple agreeing to have the plaque installed.

Feisel22:56, 16 February 2014
 

It makes sense to move it and I am sure that is what would happen. The letter from Apple says that Apple is agreeing to have the plaque installed in a publically accessible area at their headquarters. What more would you need on this?

Tomcoughlin22:55, 19 February 2014
 

I saw at least one suggestions to bring the importance of the Apple II to the front of the citation.

Do you want me to write another citation proposal or will you folks do a rewrite?

Please let me know.

Thanks!

Tom Coughlin

Tomcoughlin22:58, 19 February 2014
 
 

The plaque location needs to be firmed up with approval in place, but, reflective of the next several comments, the plaque citation also, and probably first, needs to be firmed up prior to endorsement of this IEEE Milestone proposal which in principle I support.

Tbickart16:23, 18 February 2014
 

Apple has given permission, however they asked that the permission letter not be posted to the site.

Administrator418:23, 25 February 2014
 

I support the milestone with caution on the term "...the first...".

Djkemp11:48, 8 March 2014
 
 

Site owner permission letter

A letter giving permission to place the plaques for the Apple I and Apple II milestones has been received from Apple Inc. However, Apple requested that the letter not be posted on the web.

Administrator418:27, 25 February 2014